What's the problem with self-reference? The quotes I put in the pages are meant to be the character in a nutshell or at least so iconic everyone knows who it's from.
Phrases being self-referential helps in that regard.
In the case of King Crimson, I have difficulties even understanding what this is talking about, so I think it's best to look for another, clearer sentence.
I think self reference doesn't provide much overall context towards the subject and their roles in the story.
Lisa Lisa's is an example of a compromise between "character defining" and "situational" since even if she's the subject of her own quote, the context of the quote manages to convey multiple things about her (she is an older and mature person, the way she refers to Joseph as a kid, and she is assertively independent in her actions). Another character that also fulfills that is Avdol (the quote makes him come off as 'outward' at the very least, while immediately informing the reader that he is a professional fortune teller). Bruno, Mista, and Trish are three great examples of that same compromise.
My personal reason why Diavolo doesn't make the list is because while he comes off as confident and ruling as the "emperor", if we have only the quote to go off of, what does he exactly do as the emperor? Just yell about how nobody, not even Giorno Giovanna, is going to change it? That's not too much of an exaggeration anyway, but a quote that communicates his status as a mob boss or desire to stay hidden can provide more impact to his article as a summation of character.
I was thinking that KC, along with a few other Stands, needed a quote that, whether or not it had anything to do with its power and ability, still struck some kind of feeling in the reader that resembles the general feeling of its presence in the story. Crazy Diamond is one of the best examples as a benevolent Stand of a protagonist. With the KC quote, it's intimidation and feeling of imminent doom, and has the added effect of conveying Diavolo's personality. Why is his Stand so powerful that he claims anyone that sees the Stand is instantaneously dead? The article itself along with Diavolo's personality section provides the answers. Yeah, I was hit-or-missing by trying to use non-manga quotes, but I acknowledge that at the very least.
The quote I put for Stone Free's article, while not having anything to do with its ability or even the Stand as the whole subject, manages to augment Jolyne's character just by being referenced as the line where its name is revealed and Jolyne's initial goal in the narrative is stated.
I just think it would make sense for an effective quote to be one that sums up as much of a character, whether they be the subject article or their Stand that is closely tied to them, as possible and still provides a degree of context before the reader even hits the subject's bolded name.
Adventuretime1 wrote: My personal reason why Diavolo doesn't make the list is because while he comes off as confident and ruling as the "emperor", if we have only the quote to go off of, what does he exactly do as the emperor? Just yell about how nobody, not even Giorno Giovanna, is going to change it? That's not too much of an exaggeration anyway, but a quote that communicates his status as a mob boss or desire to stay hidden can provide more impact to his article as a summation of character.
In Diavolo's case, his overwhelming pride and confidence are two core facets of his personality that no one seems to catch on, so I vastly prefer this quote which emphasizes this side of him than the overall minor and superficial obsession with staying hidden. Even then, you don't need context for this sentence. We still get the essential, in that Diavolo is uber-prideful and uber-confident. Just try to look for another quote which can illustrate his personality as well as this, there aren't. I looked for them.
About the KC quote, what I'm feeling is confusion. Even if I appreciate Araki's brand of dialog, it just won't cut it if we can't even understand them. We do want the quotes to be representative, right, then a clearer quote is obligatory.
You're pretty contradictory. One paragraph and you want to provide as much information as possible into one quote. The other and you want quotes to sound mysterious and raise questions.
You're pretty contradictory. One paragraph and you want to provide as much information as possible into one quote. The other and you want quotes to sound mysterious and raise questions.
The former is for characters. The latter is for Stands.
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