The point of trivia is to contain any pieces of information relating to the page's topic but is not included in the main article. It's there to hold any trivial, miscellaneous, or literally anything even if it holds any actual value. This is a wiki, there is no such thing as "not worthy". We're doing a wiki for the sake of information completion-ness, not to choose whether or not a piece of info is significant enough to be included in their respective topics. If there is a piece of info that belongs to the topics we have, and that it could be sourced as well, there is no reason to deny them being on here.
I am not exactly sure what'd happened (as I was busy over there in HxH wiki recently), but looking at this wiki's now, our trivia sections seem to be awfully vacant atm. The trivia sections that should be brimming with life are so blank now, and that many of the things that were there have ended up being deleted for some reason. If "not worthy" is the reason behind the change, I'd say I am personally quite against that notion.
How is a meme informative and holding anything of value? Saying that poor scans (which are not official in the slightest) have lead to the creation of a meme, is pretty redundant in itself. While trivia isn't banned, you don't see wikis going around "All memes go to trivia". Same reason why speculation isn't allowed and all that.
If we allow every single YMMV content into the trivia, the body will be larger than the article itself. Typically trivia would be information that is found outside the manga and therefore would be unknown to the average fan, but one that are too obvious from the article or memes are redundant IMO. It's not that no fun is allowed, but limits must be set so that people don't overdo things. Choosing whether or not a piece of info is significant enough to be included in their respective topics is exactly what a wiki is for, we're primarily informative, not a meme center.
If we allow "It Just Works", next we'll have "It was me Dio", which is a whole other caveat. It's for the best to remain a bit consistent. As for cultural references, those belong to another page entirely.
On a sidenote: I myself deleted some of my own earlier trivias, so it's not like I have some double standards.
WranglerPig wrote: See JoJo Wiki:Trivia and http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:41718How is a meme informative and holding anything of value? Saying that poor scans, have lead to the creation of a meme, is pretty redundant in itself. While trivia isn't banned, you don't see wikis going around "All memes go to trivia". Same reason why speculation isn't allowed and all that.
If we allow every single YMMV content into the trivia, the body will be larger than the article itself.
Speculations should not be included in the trivia because they are not a part of the actual topic (unless we're talking about titles that intentionally encourages speculation then it's a different matter), but rather it's fan interpretations. Irrelevant things should not be included on the topics' pages. However many things no matter how trivial they may sound, depending on its contexts, can be a part of the topic, because the things we're measuring is their content relevance, not their source or format.
"It just works" is an iconic part of JoJo's fanbase since a good long time ago, alongside the "what a beautiful duwang", "wryyyy", or "even Speedwagon is afraid". All of them are trivia-worthy because it actually matters to the topic at hand to a certain extent. There is no need to explore them, but it should be mentioned in the trivia because those "memes" are probably older than most of us here on this wiki.
The point is not allowing every meme to flood the wiki, the point is the measurement we're using to judge the relevance of a piece of info is highly restricting if not borderlining the elitist side of things already. And that's seriously bad. Filtering information based on its type rather than its actual context is bad management, it only leads to elitism and traditionalism, and we're seeing that here.
I don't see how memes not going to trivia veers on turning into elitist (otherwise we might as well ban people goofing around the comments), but I'll roll with you. What I'm trying to avoid is potentional escalation. And memes are like, things everyone knows, it adds no insight IMO. But I digress, Give me examples of wikis that allowed "iconic memes" into thier trivia.
I have taken a look, but all I see is stuff about popularity polls, and some comparison between it and the previous work of the author. I see no memes from the 4 articles I saw.
We could use such stuff, but that doesn't mean we're necessitated to include memes.
WranglerPig wrote: I have taken a look, but all I see is stuff about popularity polls, and some comparison between it and the previous work of the author. I see no memes from the 4 articles I saw.
We could use such stuff, but that doesn't mean we're necissated to include memes.
To see the articles on HxH wikia with a more complete list of trivias:
as well as the pages of any of the major protagonists/antagonists.
I wasn't saying that we have to use memes. I was saying that we should considering putting relevant information in regardless of their origin, as long as they're relevant in some manner; as that's what trivia is for, to contain anything too miscellaneous to be included in their main article.
And personally, I think historical memes at least deserve some manners of honourable mention purely due to their senior status (HxH wikia involves none of that because there is no long running memes beyond "HiatusxHiatus". And the hiatus does get a brief mention in Togashi, the author's page on that wiki http://hunterxhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Yoshihiro_Togashi. As well being elaborated on their volumes and chapters page, http://hunterxhunter.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Volumes_and_Chapters).
The point is, as wikis we shouldn't filter information beyond the necessary, and should strive to include as much relevant info as we can, instead of trying to minimalise the content and reserve the space for the "worthy" information.
"Personality", "History", and "Trivia" are covered in the appropriate tabs as you can see. As for Trivia, it's in "Misc". This is done to prevent pages from getting too big and avoid clutter when one is editing.
I don't know why my grammar was so bad in the original message. I would have sworn I wrote "Where do you get raw Jojolion colored scans". The reddit manga page only has links to parts 1-7 raw and chapters 1-4 of JoJolion colorized. You've uploaded colored images of JoJolion panels from volumes after the first. I'm wondering where you get them.
