GER may be the most powerful ability in jojo, but it probably has a limit? What do you think that limit could be, or do you believe it has no limit at all?
GER may be the most powerful ability in jojo, but it probably has a limit? What do you think that limit could be, or do you believe it has no limit at all?
Nixeu wrote:
Kira saying Duwang wrote: GER could definitely beat Made in Heaven, but we saw GER failing to do anything against the World over Heaven in "Eyes of Heaven". So it probably depends the Heaven stands ability
Could be that TWOH made itself immune to GER specifically, or it had some innate immunity to it, or something else weird happened. While I haven't seen the cut-scene myself yet, IIRC, Tusk Act 4 attacked at the same time, so it's remotely possible that what GER ended up doing was nullifying Tusk's attack. Or some other effect on TWOH. Kinda hard to tell, and of questionable canonicity to boot, so probably not worth considering.
While GER could beat Made in Heaven in a straight up fight, it doesn't seem to have been able to negate the whole "accelerate the universe until there's a new one" thing. Or it just didn't, because reasons. Or it did, but it just made Giorno not have to follow his predestined route. Or shoved him into a pocket dimension, or made a portal and took him through it, or stuck him in a loop, or some other explanation. It's been left unclear, and I'd love to see a short-story or WoG on the subject. Who knows, maybe he'll show up in Part 9 or something.
TWOH has the ability to rewrite reality with its fists. There really is little that GER can do to defeat TWOH, as TWOH can simply rewrite it, its the same deal with Tusk.
Your point about Giorno returning in part 9 (or possibly even part 8!) is really interesting and something I could easily see hapenning
No matter what, Josuke makes the first move. And his first move is to break that twig Stand in two.
Jotaro with his beyond speed of light star platinum laughing in the background
GER couldn't effect omnipotents, abstract beings and nigh-omnipotents, aswell as omnipresents and beings close to nigh-omnipotence.
There's no way it would effect beings like Azathoth, Unicron from Transformers or Galactus.
Well I read through this whole thread without seeing anyone mention the fact that GER can't actually damage someone without punching them. So even if GER can return things to zero, it actually doesn't harm anyone. Which could explain why MIH was allowed to reset the universe since GER wasn't there to punch Pucci to death.
And of course the only weakness to anyone in JoJo after all is Fate. If your fated to die, you'll die...
The only problem is that as of now, we don't know if there's a set power level beyond which GER wouldn't work. Like, you could say the strongest being ever came by and blinked Giorno out of existence and I could say that GER would just reset that to zero. As of now, GER has no rules on how it works. People say it can remove the effect from a cause but that makes no sense whatsoever as you would have to eliminate the cause to stop the effect from happening meaning you're effectively removing both which sounds closer to what is actually shown. To keep it simple, it's like trying to attack Cain in Vampire the Masquerade: you can't because any attack that lands on him will bounce back on you with seven times the strength and there's no in universe way to defeat him. The only way you can defeat these kinds of characters is to just make up a more op character that ignores whatever the other character had going for themselves "just cause". That's the problem with omnipotence, you can't quantify it and as such, you can create an endless cycle of "this guy beats this guy" without needing to explain why logically. That's precisely how The World Over Heaven beat GER, there's no logical explanation on how it happens, it just does because it has to and beyond even that we have Speedwagon. So, is GER invincible? Who knows. Is there a way to beat him? Yes. Is there any contorted logical reasoning as to how and why? No. But in the immortal words of our fandom's greatest spokesman, Todd Howard:
It Just Works.
I've just realised something....We know GER can act outside of Giorno's conscience, as GER explained his ability to Diavolo without Giorno's knowledge. if GER has its own conscience but is owned by Giorno, *THIS IS A LONG RUN, IM NOT TRYING TO PROVE A POINT IM THROWING IT OUT HERE* if Tusk act 4 is able to bypass revert to zero, or atleast isn't but GER would have to active Return to 0 at the very start of the nail's spin, but Johnny manages to create a distraction to bypass it and shoot Giorno with the infinite spin, then Giorno would probably be done for. But if GER can think, speak, and overall have sentience, then would GER live on? would he dissipate? would he look for other users to inhabit their bodies? or would he be a wandering, intangible spirit?