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About Foo Fighters

  • Shouldn't there be one page? The character is a sentient Stand, why is there one page for it inside Atroe's body and it "it"? 

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    • because it is both a stand and a character

      and not just a character, a major character who prevails throughout the arc

      (also, its hard to write something like a stand/character page)

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    • The character isn't necessarily a Stand, it's a mass of plankton given intelligence and a stand ability.

      The manga and JoJoveller also indicate this difference by calling one Foo Fighters (stand) and the other F.F (character).

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    • It is mentioned that Stand and user are indissociable of each other in the manga proper. Foo Fighters is described as a unique combination of organism and Stand and it is unique within the jojo universe much like Mikitaka who's ambiguously alien.

      With the source policy placing original manga over artbooks. I think the two pages can definitely be fused together.

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    • I think while it can be considered one being, the manga also constantly differentiates between the organism and the stand ability. It very rarely states that F.F (the character) is just a stand, and makes it a point as the story progresses. The only thing throwing it off is the similar name, which the manga does try to fix via the nickname.

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    • Manga clearly shows, that Foo Fighters has two discs - one gave her stand power, so other, probably, gave her intellegence and personality of someone. In other words, her intellegence belongs to her and not her stand. Words that stand is indissociable from the user probably meant that they are indissociable physically, due to unique body, made out of stand and plankton.

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    • I'm pretty sure there was only a stand disc, but regardless, if we do decide to treat F.F as its own unique organism, it'd still be appropriate to have a seperate page for the Stand, since the ability can exist conpletely seperate from F.F. It originally belonged to someone else, it continued to exist long after F.F died, and as F.F mentioned, should Jolyne revive her, it'd be a completely different character.

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    • I'm pretty sure there was only a stand disc,

      When I tried to check, some versions said "disc" and some said "discs", and since I don't speak Japanese, I can't really say for sure which is correct. Whoever this image looks like she has two discs.
      Foo fighters discs
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    • MetallicKaiser wrote:
      I think while it can be considered one being, the manga also constantly differentiates between the organism and the stand ability. It very rarely states that F.F (the character) is just a stand, and makes it a point as the story progresses. The only thing throwing it off is the similar name, which the manga does try to fix via the nickname.

      Apologies for being absent.

      I checked the manga, and it does not differentiate anything though.

      Even the texts in your link describe Foo Fighters as a mix of plankton and Stand that is unique. It is created out of two separate things sure, plankton and a Stand, but FF is a result of a mix of them, not the simple addition of them. Moreso in the official French translation of the Stone Ocean volumes. The "girl body" is described as a "borrowed body", the "Stand" is the "Stand form" in French.

      Foo Fighters, even in its late flashback, is what you see as the Stand. It'd be more appropriate to call FF some sentient Stand like Anubis whose powers are a complete part of it and not a separate entity like a Stand.

      The confusion comes from how the name Foo Fighters is used alongside the nickname FF and the representation of its different forms together. But, whether Foo Fighters or FF is used, I believe it's all to designate one thing only, which has different forms. You mention that Jolyne wants to recreate FF with the Stand disc that has been maintained even after FF's death, but it's a faulty argument because, again, FF is the mix between plankton and Stand, not simply plankton + Stand, you see what I'm talking about?

      Also, it doesn't have anything to do with the subject, but FF is mentioned to have a memory disc at the very end of Whitesnake Pursuer (2). But it doesn't really mean anything.

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    • My 2nd point was that if we treat F.F as its own "unique organism" or "new species", which the manga specifically states with that first picture I posted, then it is not just a stand. Meanwhile, we know that the disc by itself is in fact just a stand, it has nothing to do with F.F. or every new being created with it. When i mentioned how the new F.F would be different, my point was that the stand itself is treated more likr a catalyst. Like the bow and arrow, it can create multiple users, but each one is its own individual.

      The memory disc also does matter since it directly supports the fact that each F.F is different, while the stand disc will always just be a stand ability and nothing more.

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    • Another point would be, do we ever see that Stand? To me all we ever see is FF the mix of plankton and Stand but not FF the "100% Stand" that is, to me, a theorical footnote. FF's power are so ill-defined there's no telling if the Stand form we see isn't just the result of plankton being the first thing the disc has encountered since it's so dependant on being plankton. Like would a dog's Foo Fighter look like what we see? Doubtful.

      The memory disc only means that FF has memories though. It did make memories as it lived. I haven't found if it is ever said that Pucci impleted a memory disc inside the plankton but it is said that its first memory was the swamp.

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    • Your arguement only points out that F.F is what it is because of its base. We know for a fact that the base was a mass of plankton and the stand disc existed on its own. We know that because its stated, regardless if we see the stand without the plankton. We also know with the plankton, F.F is its own species because, again, its stated. The only way the stand ability that was on the stand disc would be equal to F.F is if it was dependent on plankton, but as we both know that is significant speculation.

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    • What you say is true. But then my real point is: it's redundant to make two separate pages for FF the character and FF the Stand because they're only stuff that's only mentioned and what is actually featured in the story is FF the hybrid plankton-Stand. Regardless of whether both of FF's component existed separately once, in the context of the story, it's only about the hybrid. Having those two pages is essentially a musrepresentation of what FF is truly.

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    • Also, it doesn't have anything to do with the subject, but FF is mentioned to have a memory disc at the very end of Whitesnake Pursuer (2). But it doesn't really mean anything.

      It suggests that she might have her own personality and intellegence, which means that she is her own entity.

      What you say is true. But then my real point is: it's redundant to make two separate pages for FF the character and FF the Stand because they're only stuff that's only mentioned and what is actually featured in the story is FF the hybrid plankton-Stand. 

      So? She uses stand to create a physical humanoid body for herself, but it doesn't make them one. You threating it like a creature who have one body and needs to be defied by that one body, but she doesn't just have one body - she has millions of them. Boundary between the stand and the plankton are pretty vague and for all we know, Foo Fighters might not have a wiil of it's own and be completely controlled by F.F. colony. You could say that it's advanced version of wearable stand or a stand that functions like a body part, and those have their own pages on the wiki.

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    • @Hand of Yib

      What part of plankton-Stand hybrid you don't understand?

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    • It makes sense to have two pages because one represents the hybrid character (the one that shouldn't be called a stand), and the other is the stand ability. The two existing are not mutually exclusive, the organism only exists because the Stand Disc is inside of it.

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    • Okay then, if you put like this, let's keep the two pages. but I shall put the Stand form in FF(character)'s page since it's one of its forms, among the small form and the larva form.

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    • I think that's fair.

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    • in my thoughts, Foo fighters is a hive mind of plankton.

      their stand is that hive mind.

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    • I think Foo Fighters (the stand) has the power to increase the growth of plankton and then manipulate those plankton, so the stand needs plankton to function, much like Sky High needs rods to control, so I think that the original Foo Fighters user could use the stand much like a wearable stand, creating a plankton armor around itself.

      I think Pucci figured that the only immediate weakness of this stand in a water environment, such as the swamp he needed to protect, is the user itself, much like Yellow Temperance, as even if the stand is an invulnerable armor, the user can still be drowned or suffocated, so he gave the power to the plankton itself to eliminate this factor, along with knowledge to give the plankton its purpose: protect the disks, plus it's clear that FF isn't good as armor like YT, so I doubt that the original user was resilient as F.F.

      Another option I like to think is that the stand itself creates a symbiotic relationship between the user and the plankton, so when the original user developed the stand, the plankton bonded with the stand entered his body, fusing his conscience with the plankton colony to create an organism sililar to F.F.

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